Friday, December 28, 2007

It's not about race or religion ...



As BN asked ... "show the people's power in the ballot box" not on streets ...... lets do it!

Wall Paint to Consider


I was coming back from Pudu the other day and noticed this wall painting along the Kota Raya road. it is a very nice drawing and carries a strong message. Stop rape .... if you really need it please get a paid service......!

Hindu woman loses Malaysia case

A Hindu woman has had her attempt to stop her estranged husband from divorcing her in an Islamic court, and converting their youngest son to Islam, thwarted by Malaysia's highest court.

Subhasini Rajasingham's husband had already converted himself and their elder son, now four, to the religion in 2006.

Subhasini also wants a divorce but says it should be decided in a civil court.

The federal court rejected her request on a technicality, leaving the option of another attempt.

But it failed to clarify the status of Malaysia's minorities in marital disputes where the spouse is a Muslim.

The court said that as a principle, marital disputes involving a converted Muslim spouse and a non-Muslim partner should only be decided in a civil court and not in the sharia court.

But at the same time, the court said Subhasini's husband has the right to approach the shariah court to seek redress.
Civil-rights groups have voiced fears that minority rights have become subordinate to Islamic jurisprudence because of a series of rulings that have gone in favour of Muslim spouses.

Nik Hashim Nik Abdul Rahman, one of the two judges who dismissed the case, said: "The civil and sharia courts cannot interfere with each other's jurisdiction."

There was one dissenter.

Controversal family law

Family law is a controversal area in Malayia's courts. Non-Muslims complain that civil courts give up their responsbilty to their Islamic counterparts too easily in cases involving a Muslim conversion.

In Malaysia marriages between Muslims and non-Muslims are forbidden.

Therefore, once a spouse converts to Islam, the union is broken in the eyes of Islamic courts.

K Shanmuga, Subashini's lawyer, said the judges' comments made it clear they recognised the husband's right, as a newly converted Muslim, to have recourse to the Islamic courts.

In summing up the ruling's significance Shanmuga said: "The high court has jurisdiction to hear matters when this is a non-Muslim marriage but the husband also has a right to sharia court under Islamic law."

In the civil court Shanmuga cited a landmark ruling by the federal court in July which stated that if one party was a non-Muslim, the sharia court had no jurisdiction.

This was a rare ruling that went against a tide of decisions granting jurisdiction to the Islamic courts.

read at ; http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/17E8D4F3-6B3A-483F-9D5B-9EDA385865CC.htm

Monday, December 24, 2007

Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year

This is the right time (10 mins to Christmas ) to wish all my friends, viewers and the world Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year
I hope the time to come, everyone will see a Santa Claus with a gift of LOVE, KINDNESS, JOY, A GOOD HEALTH and above all the UNIVERSAL LOVE for every one on the earth.

Decending from Badrinath


co-exist .....the green hills and the verticle rock hills......full of snow

Lots of eagles roaming in the sky




The saffron plantation....it was expensive

Tuesday, December 18, 2007

Shocking find in rubbish bin

MALACCA: A garbage collector had the shock of his life when he saw two little legs jutting out from a plastic bag at the Bestari Apartments in Bukit Beruang.

When he realised it was the body of a male stillborn baby, he informed his supervisor who called the police at 2.45pm yesterday.

The supervisor, Azmi Yusof, 28, said the garbage bins were usually full with plastic bags and the worker thought the bag contained diapers.

Police detained a woman, in her mid 20s, who was walking back to the apartment with blood-stained pants.

“The woman claimed that she had been having heavy periods for the past two days,” state deputy CID chief Supt R. Gunarajan said.

The woman has been sent to the hospital for a check-up, he added.
Anyone with information can call C/Insp Lina Samidi at 0120-3671699.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/12/18/nation/19793964&sec=nation

seals: more cases... and more .... they rather drop the baby in bin and dump site then drop them at a place that can keep the baby alive .... please comment where would you choose to drop the baby at a place where the baby can be safe and alive and you can send the baby or even deliver anonymously? If there is an option...would you do it rather then to throw the baby?

Kids at the Badrinath Gate

A tourist...








The cute angels of Badrinath .... gifted to be born there even though they are poor... bless the souls!

I told PM the truth

I told PM the truth
RK Anand Dec 18, 07 11:29am

As citizens of Malaysia, Indians have the right to enjoy equal opportunities and must not be treated like third-class citizens.

This was the crux of Malaysian Indian Business Association (Miba) president P Sivakumar's hard-hitting speech during the special meeting between Indian non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi last Friday.

"In the past, only the educated and middle-class Indians were unhappy about the difference in treatment. But over the last three years, every Indian in the country is unhappy and angry over the way we are treated," he said.

Siva told Malaysiakini yesterday that at the onset of his speech, he sought permission from Abdullah to speak without fear or favour and to tell him the truth.To this, he said, the premier replied: "Yes, please tell me the truth."

Following this, Sivakumar continued: "As you (Abdullah) are aware, the communities in Malaysia are affluent and very much matured after 50 years of Independence."

"The term bumiputera and non-bumiputera literally means 'son of the soil' and 'not son of the soil' (respectively). That means the Indian community was born where - in the sky?" he said, telling Malaysiakini that Abdullah tittered at this remark.

Sivakumar said in the past, the New Economic Policy (NEP) won the support of all three communities because it was initiated to address the socio-economic position of all races.

"So what is happening?" he asked the premier.

"What (is) 40,000 Indians? You should have given the (police) permit, there would have been more than 300,000 Indians on that day," he added in reference to the Nov 25 rally organised by the Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf).

The urban poor
Citing the agriculture sector, Sivakumar said there more than 70 percent Indians were involved in this sector.

"When the policies changed, what measures did the government take to address the thousands of Indians chased and driven out of the estates, with nowhere to go, and no housing left," he added.

The Miba president said this led to the emergence of urban poor, resulting in serious social problems like gangsterism.

"Indians killing each other for a living, who is to be blamed?" he asked.

"If only a Felda-type (scheme) had been extended to these Indians, with proper nurturing and with land given to develop small holdings and animal husbandry, they would have contributed well to the economy and even cut down our import bill, especially on dairy products. We need not depend so much on foreign workers," he said.

On the issue of funding, Sivakumar pointed out that MIC recently held seminars by calling Agriculture and Agro-based Industries Minister Muhyiddin Yassin who promised the Indian community help and support.

"But what happened? Let's take Johor for example, I personally followed up with the (state) Agriculture Department after Muhyiddin reminded the director to help the Indians.

"Nothing, not a single ringgit was given to the Indians," said the Johor-based businessman.

"Let's take other funding agencies, like MIDF, SMIDEC and SME. Yes, all (of them) like to hold seminars, (produce) good paper work. But nothing for the Indians," he added.

No help extended
As for privatisation, Sivakumar once again cited the situation in Johor.

He said the state government identified 43 projects. "The community was offered only one project, only to be retracted after two weeks. Why?"

Apart from this, the Miba president also reminded the premier that the latter had pumped RM100 million into a fund to help single mothers embark on business ventures.

"I checked with them (the fund), nothing was extended to Indian single mothers in Johor," he said.

Turning to the construction sector, Sivakumar said: "You (Abdullah) had offered 30,000 jobs, (but) when a group of Indians went to apply for tender, they were told to leave because it was only for bumiputeras.

"They had to leave the place with shame and tears. Is this fair? Aren't they citizens (too)?" he added.

Moving to the civil service, Sivakumar quoted Abdullah as saying that Indians make up five percent of the civil service."But our population is nine percent, what about the balance four percent? At least, place Indians where help is needed. For example, EPF in JB (Johor Baru), only one Indian, Socso none, post office none," he said.

The Miba president also highlighted that the scrap metal business, which involves many Indian businessman, is now under threat of licences not being renewed.

"Who will take care of their families and children if they cannot perform?" he asked.

Three-percent equity
On the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP), Sivakumar noted that it has been three years since Abdullah announced the three percent equity target for Indians.

"What are the steps and measures that you have initiated, please tell us. Even now, it is not too late, we have initiated an independent co-op for the community without any political group’s control. PM can help by funding this.

"I have even given (MIC president) S Samy Vellu a project paper on where Indians can go into - bio-tech business as a self-help programme. Why not help us because the Indians need the government's help. The Indians need opportunities," he said.

Sivakumar also highlighted the issue of temple demolitions and asked for temples constructed before Merdeka not to be demolished.

On that note, he also urged Abdullah to review the detention of five Hindraf leaders under the Internal Security Act (ISA) and called for them to be charged in court.

He also called for the release of the 31 people charged for the attempted murder of a policeman in connection with the Hindraf rally. Yesterday, Attorney-General Abdul Gani Patail withdrew the charge.

Sivakumar told Malaysiakini that he wrapped up his speech by apologising to Abdullah if he had offended the latter with his remarks.

According to him, the premier replied: "Not at all, Thank you for telling me the truth."The special meeting between the NGos and the prime minister was called following widespread debates on the allegation raised by Hindraf that Indians in Malaysia are being marginalised.

seals: MIC if you say the community is doing well and you are in control ..... the above is a lie?

Maybe you are doing a good job but have you checked your organization? Are they doing what you have actually instructed? Hello Mr Samy are you blind to this? Or maybe you are doing it but not your people? Review your hands and feet and your self.

HINDRAF was the cause of all the community problems among Indians are now being taken up and being addressed to the PM (thanks to PM, at least now). If not for the HINDRAF HEROS the PM would have never known any of this.

The 5 HINDRAF guys are the REAL HEROs and that should be accepted and we request them to be released without any conditions in fact they should be (after being released) made as consultant / NGO reps. to address community problems to the government and they can be the best to head the non-muslim affairs division in the PM's department. Can there be a better one then them?

If you are thinking to appoint any other, that surely will be a failure. As every one are in race for political and personal gain and naturally will be a YESMAN and they will say "EVERYTHING OK BOSS, YOU ARE THE BEST BOSS YOU HAVE SAFE THE COMMUNITY BOSS, YOU ARE OUR HERO BOSS ...and so on ....just like what you have now.

Since beginning that I know HINDRAF had a stand 'no political involvement'. What ever the media (that is in control) may say now that they did this and that ....we can't accept it as for me it is proven it is all a 'wayang' to make the public to loose trust on them. They will do the best as the community leader ...

Monday, December 17, 2007

Ready to Leave Badrinath


The long walk on the hills....


The bus station at Badrinath
If you are driving you should observe the gate timings. If you miss the 11.30 gate then you can't make it to Rishikesh by sun set.



The beauty of nature.

Aishwarya Rai Burns David Letterman in his own show




Have a good laugh .....

Sunday, December 16, 2007

Malaysia Asks Indians to List Grievances

By VIJAY JOSHI – 2 hours ago

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — The prime minister of Malaysia intervened to head off rising anger among the Southeast Asian country's ethnic Indian population after a rare public rally involving 20,000 protesters led to violent clashes with police.

Premier Abdullah Ahmad Badawi asked the protesters to list their grievances after meeting with community leaders

Abdullah "assured us that he will personally address the issues," Indian representative A. Rajaretnam said Sunday.

The Federation of Malaysian Indian Organizations will prepare a report for Abdullah within a month. The Indians cite a lack of government funding for Indian schools and the destruction of Hindu temples by authorities in this Muslim-majority nation among their grievances.
Ethnic Indians make up about 8 percent of Malaysia's 27 million people, and most are at the bottom of the country's social and economic ladder.

Malay Muslims comprise about 60 percent of the population, and control the government. Ethnic Chinese account for about a quarter and dominate business.

After simmering under the surface for decades, the Indians' anger erupted on Nov. 25 when thousands poured onto the streets in defiance of a government ban. Police used tear gas and water cannons to disperse the demonstrators. More than 100 people were charged with illegal assembly, and 31 others face trial accused of the attempted murder of a policeman who suffered a non life-threatening wound to the head.

Last Thursday police detained five of the rally's organizers under a draconian Internal Security Act that allows indefinite detention without trial.

The government has warned more people involved in the rally may be arrested under the act, but the Indian issue has become the biggest political challenge for Abdullah, who took office in 2003 and is widely expected to call general elections next year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9WkPCsVO8-BAV7oFdhOzvPkYSUAD8TIHKKO0

Activists demand M'sia free Indians held after protests

KUALA LUMPUR - THOUSANDS of activists gathered near a detention camp where Malaysia is holding five leaders of a ethnic Indian group and freed pigeons to demand their freedom, a rights group said on Sunday.

The five leaders were detained under the country's controversial Internal Security Act (ISA) that allows for detention without trial last Thursday.
At least 2,000 activists held prayers in a nearby temple for their early release after police sealed the roads leading to Kemunting camp in the northern Perak state, rights campaigner R.S. Thanenthiran told AFP.

'These people are not terrorists. The government is escaping from the real issue that Indians are marginalised in Malaysia. We demand the immediate release of the detainees,' he said, adding that the protest also aimed to rally support for families of the detainees.
'We released 36 pigeons - five for the ISA detainees and 31 for those in prison awaiting Monday's bail application - as a symbol of freedom for all of them,' he said, noting there were no arrests despite a heavy security presence.

The 31 Indians were arrested after last month's protest outside the famous Batu Caves temple, north of the capital Kuala Lumpur. They face an attempted murder charge against a policeman who allegedly suffered head injuries.

Rights group Hindraf, whom Mr Thanenthiran represents, is pushing for an end to discrimination of minority ethnic Indians in multi-racial Malaysia, which is led by the majority Muslim-Malay government.

The organistation enraged the government last month by mustering at least 8,000 people to the streets of Kuala Lumpur to highlight issues including a lack of economic opportunities and the destruction of Hindu temples.

Police used tear gas, water cannon and baton charges to break up the protests.
Muslim Malays make up 60 per cent of the population and control the government.
Malaysia is also home to ethnic Chinese, who make up 26 percent of the population and dominate business.

Ethnic Indians, who make up 8.0 per cent, complain they run a distant third in terms of wealth, opportunities and education. -- AFP

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_187426.html

Report: Malaysia tells US to check its own backyard before criticizing arrests

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: Malaysia has told the United States to study its own human rights record after it criticized the Southeast Asian nation for detaining without trial five ethnic Indian activists, reports said Saturday.
"Can they first of all give a fair trial to the detainees in Guantanamo Bay? We'll only respond if they do so," Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak was quoted as saying by the New Straits Times.

Washington — widely criticized for detaining 290 terror suspects without trial at its Cuban military prison — urged Malaysia to give a fair trial to the five Indians arrested Thursday under the Internal Security Act, which also allows for indefinite detention.
Najib said the activists were detained because they had continued to violate the law despite receiving several warnings.

The five are senior members of the Hindu Rights Action Force, or Hindraf, which sparked fears of ethnic unrest in this multicultural country when it held a street protest Nov. 25 that drew at least 20,000 minority Indians demanding racial equality. Police used tear gas and water cannons to quell the rally.

"The major section of the public had demanded that the government take sterner action much earlier, but we have been very patient and quite tolerant," Najib was quoted as saying.
"We have always said people must obey the law. Nobody is above the law. So when the ISA was used, it should not have come as a surprise," he added.
The arrests sparked criticisms from opposition parties and local rights groups, which accused the government of abusing the law to curb dissent.

Najib and his officials couldn't be reached Saturday for comments.
Ethnic Indians make up about 8 percent of Malaysia's 27 million people and are at the bottom of the social and economic scale. Malays comprise some 60 percent and control the government. Ethnic Chinese are about a quarter of the population and dominate business.
The government denies discriminating against Indians, but Hindraf insists an affirmative action program that gives privileges to the Muslim Malay majority in business, jobs and education is tantamount to unfair treatment.

Hindraf chairman P. Waytha Moorthy, who is abroad to seek support, has pledged to maintain the group's peaceful campaign against discrimination.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/15/asia/AS-GEN-Malaysia-US-Indian-Unrest.php

Seals: But how come Malaysia can comment on others?

Friday, December 14, 2007

14/12: US demands due process for arrested Malaysian activists

The United States demanded Thursday that Malaysia provide fair treatment to five leaders of a rights group held under a security law that allows for indefinite detention without trial.

The five from the Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf), pushing for an end to discrimination of ethnic Indians in multi-racial Malaysia, were picked up Thursday and ordered held under the feared Internal Security Act (ISA)."

Our expectation as a government is that these individuals would be provided the full protections under Malaysian law, that they would be given due process, that they would be accorded all the rights accorded to any other citizen, and that this be done in a speedy and transparent manner," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

Hindraf enraged the government of Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi last month by mustering at least 8,000 people to the streets of Kuala Lumpur to highlight various issues facing ethnic Indians, including lack of economic opportunities and destruction of Hindu temples.

Police used tear gas, water cannons and baton charges to break up the protests."

It is our firm position that those individuals who want to peacefully express themselves in a political forum or any other forum should be allowed to do so," McCormack told reporters.

Human rights groups have campaigned for the abolition of the ISA, a law that they say has been abused by the authorities.

The ISA is currently being used to hold more than 100 people, including about 80 alleged Islamic militants.

Human Rights Watch, a US group, said the arrest was "outrageous."

"We have said over and over again that the ISA should be abolished and there is no room for holding people, never mind indefinitely, without charge and trial," said Mickey Spiegel, the group's Asia division senior researcher.

The Malaysian government, led by ethnic Muslim Malays since independence, has always used deadly race riots in 1969 as a reason for controls on freedom, even though some groups believe that after 50 years of independence, Malaysians are matured enough to discuss their grievances openly."

Malaysian authorities are obligated, like any sovereign countries' government, to balance the need for public order with equally important need for robust and free debate of issues important to Malaysian citizens," a State Department official said.

"It is our hope that the Malaysia government will allow the freest possible debate," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a US non-profit law firm that helps defend freedom of all religions, charged that the destruction of Hindu temples -- some built before the start of the British colonial period almost two centuries ago -- could be an attempt to erase Hindu heritage in Malaysia.

Hindraf claimed one temple was being demolished every three weeks."What I have heard from people is really that in destroying these temples, they are trying to destroy evidence of how long the Hindu faith has been a part of Malaysia, particularly in the context of advancing Islamisation and of the equation of Islam with nationalism in Malaysia," said Angela Wu, the Fund's international law director.

Hindraf has filed a four trillion dollar lawsuit against Britain for alleged atrocities suffered by Indians whose forefathers were brought as indentured laborers to Malaysia during colonial rule. — AFP

http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/news2007.php?itemid=1139

Government doing its best for Indians, says PM

ALOR GAJAH: An outraged Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi yesterday blasted Hindraf’s claims of the mistreatment of Malaysian Indians as lies intended to divide the races and destroy the country’s peace.

“I rarely get angry but this time I am very angry and this is something I cannot accept,”he said.
The prime minister took grave exception to a memorandum asking the British government to lead an international condemnation of Malaysia ’s “atrocities” against Indians. “Hindraf is making baseless allegations and wants the United Kingdom to move an emergency United Nations resolution condemning ethnic cleansing in Malaysia. “Tell me, do you believe there is ethnic cleansing in Malaysia? Is there ethnic cleansing, tell me? If this happened, I will resign,” Abdullah said at a press conference after launching Kampung Tanjung Bidara as the country’s second Islam Hadhari village.

“Tell me, you are an Indian and so are you (referring to Indian reporters), have we been doing it for the past 50 years, have we done this?”he asked. “Malaysianswould not believe it.
Even the Indians who are Hindus do not believe it. Ethnic cleansing was perpetrated in Bosnia where the Serbs attacked the Bosnians to chase them out and make them non-existent. It was backed by the state. We do not do this here,” he said. Hindraf legal adviser P. Uthayakumar has resorted to the British before. In May 2004, he went to London to apply for asylum alleging police harassment in relation to a death-in-custody case he had taken up.

He returned to Malaysia about a month later after Tan Sri Musa Hassan, then the federal CID director and now inspector-general of police, advised him to substantiate his allegations.
Abdullah also slammed Hindraf’s charge that “government backed armed Islamic extremists” had destroyed a temple in Klang.

“There is no such thing. This a lie conjured by certain groups to create hatred among the Indians for the government.” In its memorandum, Hindraf also appealed to the British government to refer Malaysia to the World Court and the International Criminal Court for “crimes against ethnic minority Indians”. Describing the Indian community as “innocent and good people”, Abdullah said it had contributed to nation- building.

“They have done their part and supported the government. They are strong supporters of the Barisan Nasional and they surely do so because they believe we are fair to all.” Abdullah said the government was doing its best for the Indians and cited his experience in helping the community in his parliamentary constituency of Kepala Batas. “There are many Indians in Kepala Batas and I help them.

Funds are provided to repair their temples as we respect their religion. “They are not our enemy but we sit together and muafakat (co-operate). ” Abdullah said MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu was constantly bringing the community’s requests to him. “Samy makes requests to me for the Indian community and I approve and give them grants. I have never said no. We support the Indians but there are some quarters inciting them and making them unhappy with the government.” The prime minister called on Malaysians, especially the Indians, to carefully evaluate the Hindraf memorandum and statements.

“I do not want Indians to be duped by them.” Abdullah said many had gone to Hindraf’s illegal rally to hear what it had to say about the oppression of and crimes against the Indian community by the government.

“These are all lies that can cause racial conflict in the country, especially between the Indians and Malays. Is this what we want? In Malaysia, there has been no conflict between the Muslims and Indians or Islam and Hinduism. It has never happened,”he said. Abdullah felt Hindraf’s bigger motive was to cause chaos and disturb the peace.

“This country has rules and laws. We have a constitution and we are successful today as we abide by it and hold firmly to the Rukun Negara.” Asked for his views on other planned street demonstrations, Abdullah said he had instructed the police to deal with them and take the appropriate measures.

This month, the Bar Council is staging its annual walk for human rights while Bersih is planning a demonstration outside Parliament House on Dec 11 to protest a constitutional amendment allowing election commissioners to serve until the age of 66. A third demonstration is being planned by the opposition and non-governmental organisations to protest road toll increases due next year. “I have asked the police to talk to them and do what is appropriate.
In fact, this should not happen.

Why must street demonstrations be chosen to bring change and present demands?”he asked. (seals: You are asking why? Because there were no action from you when it was addressed to you. Le me ask you again .... why you did not solve the matter in the beginning until the Ministers of MCA and MIC had to give you a memorandum. You are good in "wait till last min". And yest you rejected the memo. Who is at fault?

As an example, he said many of the proposals of the Bersih demonstration on Nov 10 had already been fulfilled. The Election Commission had introduced the use of indelible ink and transparent ballot boxes. In addition, the names of the dead had been erased under an exercise to clean up the electoral roll. Abdullah said the Election Commission had worked out arrangements for party representatives to be present when postal votes were cast. “But despite this, they do not believe us but think only they (the opposition) are right. If we are a rotten government, we would have been removed as the people are not stupid and cannot be cheated.” Abdullah said the BN had governed for 50 years and had brought development.

“I admit there are weaknesses and there is still work to be done. (seals: If you know, why arrest them and did not address it when they came to meet you in Putrajaya?)

There is no country in the world or any leader who can say he has done everything and there are no more poor people in his country.” He pointed out that development was a process that did not end. “There are still poor people (in the country) and we still need to bring them out of poverty. We have to strengthen ties between the races and religions.” Abdullah said he was not prepared to leave the country hostage to irresponsible groups.

“I do not want our country, which is growing steadily and attracting investors, to be destroyed.
I do not want the country to be in disarray as a result of the action of an irresponsible few.”

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20071202073039/Article/index_html

seals: If you are doing the best as the header says then you would have listen to any group who comes to you to adress matters and act on it.

A good leader will be far sighted, you did not have that and many times failed to address matters when it comes to your hand but say this and that when it gets out of hands ...who's mistake is this?

MIC is scared that HINDRAF will be more popular then them ...it is all bout politics and power not people

I wish Tun Dr M is the PM still and we will never see a leader like that ever in malaysia history.

Other Links:

We cannot lose sight of the fact that no matter how heinous the activity complained of may appear, accusations remain mere accusations until and unless they are made out in a court of law. Every person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law

The Prime Minister has publicly declared that the authorities have evidence of the alleged terrorist links HINDRAF is said to have ('Close watch on Hindraf', The Star, 08.12.2007). Minister Nazri has also publicly declared the existence of such links ('Link is with Tamil Tigers and India's Rss, says Nazri', The Star, 08.12.2007). If this is the case, then there is more reason for the five or any number of other persons involved to be appropriately charged and prosecuted.

http://malikimtiaz.blogspot.com/2007/12/hindraf-5-isa-detentions-side-step.html

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If the government has clear and convincing evidence that the five had committed grave offences, they should be charged in court allowing them an open trial and an opportunity to defend themselves instead of being incarcerated under a regime where proof is not necessary at all.

No, no, no Pak Lah.
It must be proven to the public convincingly that road chosen by them is wrong in our community. It is true, there are many poor Indians and others as well. The poverty issue must be addressed.
To jail them, will galvanise their followers. In two years they will emerge as Nelson Mandelas of Malaysia. (Whether you believe it or not.)
This is not the time to use an iron fist. It is easier to break a vase than to make one.

I say it again. Indians must have pride. Deliver your votes to the opposition. After all you are at the lowest ebb already. whether Samy Vellu wins or not makes no diference to your quality of life.I would vote for opposition, be it DAP, PAS or Keadilan. At least these people can check the excessof the government which is running out of control.
At this very moment, my sincere prayers go to those heroes who are detained. May God protect them from evil and harms way!

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/13/isa-detention-of-hindraf-five-most-deplorable/

Thursday, December 13, 2007

Malaysia detains Indians under security law

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia invoked a tough internal-security law on Thursday to indefinitely detain five ethnic Indian activists from a group that had staged a mass anti-government protest last month.

A police official, who declined to be named, said the five belonged to the Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf), which had stunned the government by bringing more than 10,000 ethnic Indians onto the streets to complain of racial discrimination.

One of those detained on Thursday was a Hindraf leader, lawyer P. Uthayakumar, who had already been charged with sedition for alleging that Malaysia practised "ethnic cleansing" of Indians, which make up about 7 percent of the population.

"They said they were arresting him under the ISA (Internal Security Act), but they didn't say where they were taking him," said Shantha, who answered Uthayakumar's mobile phone after news of the detentions and said she was his secretary.

She gave the names of three other detainees as M. Manoharan, V. Ganapatirau and T. Vasanthakumar. She said she was not aware of a fifth detainee, though the Hindraf Web site gave the fifth name as K. Kengadharan, also a lawyer.

Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who came to power four years ago promising more transparent and open government, had said this week he would have no trouble signing a detention order to ensure public security and national stability.

The Hindraf rally was one of two mass protests last month. A separate crowd of around 10,000 people had earlier turned out on the streets of the capital to demand fairer elections, amid expectations of a snap poll by March 2008.

But the Indian rally, though largely peaceful, aroused deep concerns within government, and also among many ordinary Malaysians, because of the country's history of tense and sometimes explosively violent race relations.

In 2001, five people were killed and 37 wounded in riots between majority ethnic Malays and Indians which began after an Indian kicked a chair over at a Malay wedding. In 1969, hundreds were killed in rioting between Malays and ethnic Chinese.

A source in the Special Branch, the police force's intelligence arm, said on Thursday that Hindraf's protests and allegations of ethnic cleansing at the hands of a Malay-dominated government had angered many Malays, who are all Muslims.

Police were keeping a close watch on Malay activists and mosques, the source told Reuters.
"This is a multiracial country and it takes little to upset the balance," said the source, who declined to be named.

But the opposition has accused the government of using the spectre of racial violence as an excuse to crack down on peaceful dissent, noting that police were enforcing a blanket ban on all forms of anti-government protest, regardless of the issue.

"We condemn these arrests," said Lim Guan Eng, head of the opposition Democratic Action Party.

"It is a desperate act of last resort and if the government has any evidence, it should charge them in an open court.

"We urge the government to seek national reconciliation, not confrontation with disaffected, marginalised and dispossessed Malaysians."

http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2007/12/13/asia/OUKWD-UK-MALAYSIA-ARRESTS.php

Five Hindraf leaders detained under ISA (2nd update)

PETALING JAYA: Five Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) leaders have been arrested and detained under the Internal Security Act (ISA).

The five are P. Uthayakumar, M. Manoharan, R. Kenghadharan, V. Ganabatirau and T. Vasanthakumar. They were picked up at various locations in Selangor, Kuala Lumpur and Seremban.

It is learnt they were detained under Section 8 (1) of the ISA after Internal Security Minister Datuk Seri Abdulah Ahmad Badawi signed their detention order.

Their detention is for two years.

Uthayakumar and two others namely Ganabatirau and P. Waythamoorthy were charged under the Sedition Act on Nov 23 in Klang 23 for allegedly making speeches to incite hatred at a gathering in Batang Berjuntai, Selangor, on Nov 16. Waythamoorthy is currently overseas.

Under Section 73 (1) of the ISA, the police can detain any individual for up to 60 days without a warrant, trial and without access to legal counsel if he was suspected to have “acted or is about to act or is likely to act in any manner prejudicial to the security of Malaysia or any part thereof or to maintenance of essential services therein or to the economic life thereof."

After 60 days, the Minister of Home Affairs can extend the period of detention without trial for up to two years, without submitting any evidence for review by the courts, by issuing a detention order, which is renewable indefinitely.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/12/13/nation/20071213144228&sec=nation

Can we call for elections since they are under ISA now?

Back to India .. Location: Entrance to Mana Village



A joy full kid with her new toy, a stuffed duck and a lollipop.....
closer look at the Vasundra Falls




Crow with yellow beak...
The eyes and the body that we have has a very limited capacity, ability and capability to enjoy the nature and the beauty of the existence ....I wish to break free from it to experience the beauty of both the worlds in time.